Do I have that sort of comparison right?

Yeah, absolutely, Martin.

And Well, in my life, I've had five near-death experiences.

One was sadly, I was a week later on the same flight after 9-11.

I was running a bit late, so otherwise my schedule would have been, I would have probably been on that flight that suddenly came down.

You know, and at the time it was very relaxed and it was like, you know, I remember going through security afterwards and the person in front of me had knuckle dusters and knives and suddenly he was affronted saying, well, why can't I do that when security checked everything? Everything was checked.

And then there was kind of a realization.

Tell me about that part of, uh, how the, that, that that's how the philosophy plays out in, in real time day to day.