privy to the last interview and he is known as the intelligence systems innovator and for very good reason and then after the last interview that we did with Jonathan we learned a lot more about his trip his time in Jordan and so Jonathan let's start right there okay because it's just so interesting I want to jump right into it what were you actually doing in Jordan

I know I appreciate it, Tanya, and thanks for setting it up and for having me back.

I thought I agree.

We had a great conversation afterwards, and it's crazy how how quickly the dialog can transition into real world applicability and how we all kind of work together.

I was fortunate relatively mid-career to be assigned to the foreign military sales program for Jordan.

And part of the foreign military sales process is we have our US taxpayer dollars that we gift almost like a gift card to our foreign allies for their support in our overall global missions.

And one of those main recipients is Jordan.

And then they they called him in a week before he graduated and says congratulations you're superintendent over this entire project over here we just started and he's like okay and you know he's gonna grab it and run with it you probably felt that way on a much grander scale here

What is bipolar?

It's real simple.

I'm not going to claim to be a mental health expert.

So I'm going to caveat this by my training through going through some mental health education classes.

But basically, you have your typical window of tolerance that you operate in a stable manner, right? And then there's certain triggers within your normal operating that'll drive up stress that'll lower you down to depression.

But under without the bipolar, the normal person can balance that and still stay relatively stable.

The emotion still exists, but you stay relatively stable with bipolar.

So you're not thinking about the crap you're dealing with.