So having said that, from a dairy producer's perspective, the tariffs and the continued negotiations, what makes you nervous about everything as we move forward?

Uh, it's a good question.

Um, honestly, sometimes I, I, I worry about controlling the controllables and a lot of that's not that controllable to me, right? I mean, at times if, if we ever have politicians that ask us our opinions, we can give our opinions, and I usually have to be educated by somebody smarter than me on what my opinion should be [laughs].

Uh, but, but, a- and in terms of on a daily basis, the decisions we make, um, that's not extremely controllable.

So, um, I try not to spend a lot of mental energy on getting anxiety on something that I don't have a lot of control over anyways.

Why is it important, even if you don't bring cattle, for dairy farmers to attend World Dairy Expo?

Well, I mean, I think the, the first thing is the, the number of people you see, right? And, and, uh, we're still an industry of people, um, contacts, relationships.

Um, you know, at one point in time, I think there was a slogan where, "Where people meet." Um, honestly, I'll get so many requests for meetings here that I have to turn a lot of them down just because y- there's no way that you can meet with everybody.