And if I had to ask you, Jonathan, what do you think about this film really works for you? What really resonates? What do you think, um, strikes you the most about this?

Well, I would start with where Michael started, which is in praising Gena Rowlands' performance.

Um, and not only is it an outstanding performance, but it is very much against type, so that if you looked at her entire career, she usually played a woman who was, her emotions were right at her fingertips, and here she's playing a, a woman who's so restrained in her emotions.

And so it's very impressive.

It's an impressive performance, but it's also not a, a, a lazy performance or an easy performance for her.

But again, I was just all in with this confrontation with the self.

And again, I tend to be very appreciative of movies that do that extremely well.

So something I like is, like, o- once we've talked about a film, what can we take away? 'Cause I, I, I think that films really, good films like this can hold a lot of valuable lessons, and I'm wondering, having watched it, maybe you, maybe you want people to arrive at their own interpretations, but what do you guys think maybe are some key takeaways you would want someone to potentially get from this film? And maybe I could start with, with Jonathan.