There's a whole range of different elements to your work.

Thanks a million for that, Patrick.

[laughs] Uh, well, I suppose, yeah, it's, it's not easy to, um, it's not easy to maybe explain or capture every, every element that's in some of the modules I teach, but I suppose my, my most recent emphasis is looking at music and sustainability or music and climate.

So I teach on this, and it, it brings in all kinds of interesting questions around the musician's responsibility in this context, the sustainability of the music industry, treating the music industry as an industry the way one would look at the aviation industry or the fashion industry, and looking at it as implicated in petrol capitalism.

It, uh, it uses data through streaming, through Spotify, but there's also been a century of physical media as well, vinyl, cassettes, CDs, et cetera.

So there are a couple of the, there are a couple of the strands in my, my, my teaching and research.

It's not just something that you do when you're finished the other important stuff.

Yeah, it's a, it's a really, it's a really thorny question.