So security, being able to plug into that and controls from another partner, is it more intense these days than ever?

It is.

And we're definitely just like Nutanix has done for the last several years now.

We're really embracing an open ecosystem.

It's really important.

I think gone are the days where you've got proprietary stacks and you decide you do it your way and you don't interoperate.

I think those days are behind us now.

How has the view from a networking perspective changed with cloud-native, with demand for AI, AI factory-type infrastructure? How has that changed your world?