Mm-hmm.

You know, they're, they are checking in on us too.

So yeah, of course, you know, uh, I think everyone should have that curiosity if not, um, skepticism about, uh, how much tech and the people who control it are really in our, our daily lives, uh, hourly.

You know, I mean, I don't know how many times people pick up the phone.

I think it's in the thousands, you know, every day.

Not to mention the rest of the technology.

So it, it is, it is, um, I think it's absolutely curious to me.

in their own-

And this show clears that, and I wonder when you realized that you had cleared that bar and said, "Okay, I, I do wanna tackle them, even if we're sick to death of talking about them."

Well, I think the, the, the main approach to that was to get it out of the office and for it to not be 100% about tech, for there to be a psychiatrist, for there to be that psychiatrist's son, his n- her husband, the school that that kid goes to, which w- goes n- we get into more in, in the next episode.

Um, there's, there's, [clears throat] you know, there, the guys coming in from the VA from DC and, and coming into this bubble and, and seeing this world.

Um, the 15-year-old himself is like ...

He's so human.

He's so raw, 15 years old, pubescent.

He's got IBS, and he walks into this bubble that's all about optimizing your body and your brain, and it's like ...

[laughs]

But, uh, I assume that gives you some confidence going into this that maybe would've been different had it been a late green light?

I suppose so, yeah.

I mean, um, first of all, I'm in New York now.

Uh, we're not in LA.

We were in LA in season one.

Um, oh, this winter was a bit ru- I w- [laughs] It's like a 24/7 commercial for Los Angeles this winter and over here on the East Coast.

Um, you don't know how it's gonna be received, uh, season one, while you're writing season two, so it's always, uh...

Got really rich

Yeah.

Yeah, we'll see.

But, uh, yes, I, I, I, you-- the, the, the monologue that you're talking about, uh, the, she, she was the chief ethicist at this Cupertino company, and she says, you know, "What have we actually changed? What has tech actually done? We set out to, uh, you know, lower, uh, barriers to information.

We tried to increase tolerance between people.

We talked about helping climate change.

We, we talked about-Providing a, a better education situation for our kids and, you know, thing after thing after thing, they failed miserably a-a-across the board.

She s-she says, you know, tech changed the world, but so did the Bubonic plague.

Mm-hmm.

[laughs]

No, I, I, I, first of all, I feel incredibly fortunate to be able to, to be making this show and to be working.

A lot of my friends are in trouble.

Uh, uh, the amount of shows that are being made is, is reduced just because d- attention spans are going elsewhere.

Maybe that's the natural, uh, flow of, of economy and, and, and art, uh, you know, f- the format being a- adjusted as it, as it always has over time.

I do have some faith in that, uh, storytelling is not gonna go away.

We've been doing it for thousands of years.

Yes, it's not particularly original