One, what was it like – coming in to Kajabi now I know it had been there for a minute but you were really the the person that led them to where they are today what was that like coming into Kajabi and taking that over and seeing the that is remarkable growth to see something to grow thousands of percent in a few years just what did that feel like not necessarily the tactics but the feeling of the growth

It's interesting because looking back on it, there's always been an awareness with Kajabi that the company, it's just a very special, special place.

So my journey getting to Kajabi and the certainty I had when I got to join Kajabi was, started when I met Kenny in 2011.

It was about a year into the company's journey, and it was actually a friend of a friend that put us together, said, hey, you're in Orange County, Kenny's in Orange County, you guys should hang out.

And we ended up becoming fast friends.

I was a consultant at Kajabi for about six months.

And for those of you that are old enough to know these names, Kajabi actually fired me to work with Frank Kern, who at the time was not nearly as attractive, but definitely a bigger consulting name than I was.

Um, The ripple of Kajabi just on people's lives, it's unmeasurable what it's actually done out in the world.