Now it's an arms race for, can I make my kid better faster than anybody else?

The core of your answer, we've got to go deep down within us to just the way humans are wired.

We have a desire for what's called, uh, two, two human emotions called self-love and self-glory.

Self-love says we want people to like us.

Self-glory says we want people to think we're good at what we're doing.

And again, I stress those are natural human emotions.

They go back to the cavemen.

Yeah.

Uh, for people that aren't familiar with you, would you mind telling us a little bit about who you are and what you do?

Yeah.

I'm Jonathan.

I started Healthy Sports Parents, it w- it was a podcast at first, now it's a whole entire platform of stuff, uh, back in January of 2025.

Since then, it has grown to nearly 170,000 followers across social.

Kind of blew up on me, had no clue it would ever become this.

Had no...

Yep.

Mm-hmm.

We, we, [laughs] when we have an inappropriate relationship with winning and losing, we don't realize that focusing on winning adds an unhealthy pressure and actually makes kids perform worse, is the example of the baseball player here.

Um, there's the study of, it was 13-year-old boys playing a pretty high-level basketball.

It was about 100 kids or so.

They followed them over the course of a year of something like 40 or 50 games, and they, they asked the kids their feelings on a sur- like, basically surveyed them after every game they played.

And what they found out-... was that everyone thinks winning is more fun than losing.

But what this study found out was that winning in an environment that was focused on outcomes was oftentimes less fun than losing in, uh, environments that focused on effort and growth.

Yep.

shade and no shade but when i when i look at like cheer like competitive cheer i am like cha-ching cha-ching cha-ching cha-ching cha-ching and these parents are like shoveling money you know no shade if your if your daughter or son loves that no shade at all but like it feels like that it feels like capitalism anyway go on

At its core, it is capitalism.

It's capitalism using all of the dirty little tactics it can use to make money for a small group of people.

And the way we got here, let's back up.

The story I often tell is I had a neighbor growing up.

His name was Zach.

And Zach was a year younger than me.

Because