How often do you speak to folks from a UK background who, who have a lot more knowledge than we know?

Well, I think it's quite interesting, the UK background, and I think you've got to go back in, in the book, uh, to 1947.

And one of the, uh, I think an important new fact in the book, which I've never seen anywhere else, and I discovered it by going through James Forrestal's diaries.

He was the, uh, Secretary of Defense, um, at the time of, um, Roswell.

Um, uh, within a, a week of, uh, Truman signing the Majestic 12 directive, which I believe to be, uh, correct and true, um, Forrestal's diary shows that he met with Sir Henry Tizard, who was the chief scientific officer of the Ministry of Defense here in London.

And Tizard then met, uh, also with Eisenhower, um, had another meeting with Forrestal in America, and that preceded a number of meetings with Forrestal and other senior RAF officers.

Tizard then came back to the UK and, um, uh, launched a, um, secret flying saucer working party group, um, at the Ministry of Defense.

And I wonder which specific MG12 documents do you regard as the most authentic or probably authentic? And are there any you, you are doubtful over or you believe may be fraudulent?

So yeah, you want to talk about the memo?

So this is a document that was leaked by an individual who described himself as a former counterintelligence officer who worked for James Angleton, head of counterintelligence.

And he said that when Angleton died, he was called back into the CIA to go through Angleton's papers and to destroy documents which were particularly sensitive, which Angleton had, but which had not been recorded in the CIA documents.

And in fact, Angleton used to in fact keep uh many documents in safes uh rather than log them into um the counterintelligence system and indeed he had about 40 safes i think many of which had to be blown open And this was one document that this counterintelligence officer found.

And in the covering letter in which he disclosed it to Cooper, he said that these documents were being burned and destroyed.

And he literally plucked this memo from the flames, hence the burned document, because you can see that it is actually burned on a number of pages.

and he said it's the only link uh between now the the cia and kennedy's assassination now i have and maybe you too have michael i've looked at the original and i've had the opportunity to examine it and it is a a document on original carbon paper it's got a government watermark The Woods sent it to the Speckin laboratory who tested the dye in the stamps and the paper to try and age it and it conforms with a document of or about the 1960s.

Now, it was, I think, November or December 2020, this Israeli professor, Haim Eshed, a former brigadier general who set up Israel's spy satellite program, he said some extraordinary things in an interview and also in a book about a galactic federation working with the Trump administration, having a base on Mars and also uh extraterrestrial civilization so you want to talk about what you found because you went to israel to you

Do you feel that as the old guard, you might call them, uh, get older and they retire or perhaps they die, that the younger people that are coming through into those positions are more open-minded and would more want to give out the information?

Well, there is, uh, certainly mixed views about those who are currently in these positions.

They're almost all career intelligence officers, um, or very senior military figures, or figures, if they're not within the, uh, three-letter agencies, within, uh, the Department of Energy.

That's so far as the United States is concerned.

I think that there are very real concerns, regardless of, uh, the fact whether you're an old guard or a new boy, um, and I think they're these.

Firstly, the-- one of the prime reasons for the coverup since the 1940s and President's Truman, Truman's era, has been because there has been a massive drive to, uh, try and re-reverse engineer, uh, such anomalous objects or craft as they have been able to recover.

And, uh, we don't know how successful they've been.

Do you feel that they're genuine, or it's, like, part real and part wrong, or it's, uh, misinformation?

What are the key new documents that you're talking about, and why do you attach significance to them?

them?Well, there's two, and there's a, there's, um, uh, a series of photographs.

Um, the reason, uh, uh, I think we need to look at both separately.

The two documents that are new, um, came about because when I was in Washington, um, about two years ago, I met with Ryan Wood, and I asked him, um, whether he felt that Tim Cooper had handed over all of the Majestic documents, uh, to his father, um, when h- his father visited him and, uh, obtained the original tranche.

Um, and it sounded to me as though it was rather haphazard, uh, that there was a filing cabinet and that, um, Robert Wood had taken, um, the documents that he was, was offered, and there might be others in the Cooper household.

So it was decided that, um, Ryan would go back a- and visit Tim Cooper's house, who had not been very cooperative since, um, and has really withdrawn from the subject.

But we thought it was worth a go, and Ryan did go back to the Cooper household.

Tell me the Douglas Caddy story, John.