Wow.

And at the time I had three, and I had just had twins, and I wasn't...

I don't know.

I didn't, I wasn't, I didn't have, like, a mentor or anyone kinda tell me how to do it.

I just was like, man, I've gotta, I've gotta make this on my own.

So I wasn't saying no to a lot of things, you know? [laughs] But I made it work.

And, um, in 2008, I started a workshop called Film Is Not Dead.

Mm.