in that nature you were witnessing a hill on top of the hill there was a big rock and there was a being sitting on top of that rock and what happened when you first made contact or had some sort of interaction or communication with this being we'll say jesus but i know that you describe him as much more than that uh what were those initial interactions what was he there to make you understand or help you understand

yeah the welcome was interesting because i didn't realize i was dead i didn't know that i had passed so here i come across this being was sitting on a rock looked like he was just wearing hiking gear and looked like somebody would see outside on a trail and you know maybe wave to and keep walking but there was a moment of eye contact that happened and i say eye contact because he had eyes i didn't have a body i didn't recognize that i had one but in that moment it's like you get this instantaneous three-hour conversation of welcome and If I could translate it, it would be, okay, you're dead.

You're on the other side.

You're welcome.

You are loved.

There's nothing to fear.

It's like every human word you could probably wrap around a death experience and then some.

I'm really curious to do a deep dive onto how you received that or how did you begin to start perceiving God's personality and sense of humor? in all of this

Yeah, that I'm the idiot that believes something that can't be proven.

The interesting thing is in my life review, the one thing that I was shown is everybody here has been given the proof that it exists.

We just write it off.

It's like we rationalize it.

We're like, oh, that miraculous thing that happened.

I survived that wreck.

I don't know how.

not mad I'm vibrating in resistance

Ah.

So it's like you have a team of people.

You move them in certain ways and certain directions so that you make your bonus kind of thing.

I need to grow company a certain percentage, so I will ...

I don't care if you're going through divor- a divorce, I need you here, right? Just this knowing that that life that I had lived no longer applied, so walking away from everything immediately.

Career was over that day.

I had boats, and toys, and money, and a house, and, uh, all the gear, outdoor gear I could shake a stick at, and it was kind of like none of this applies anymore.

It wasn't.

[laughs] It's gotta be so hard to come back.

Yeah, which is, it's heavy on a, on a scale I can't quite describe.

Like, the density of reality here is...

It's such a sharp contrast to what you feel there.

It's freedom there, it's bliss, it's light.

It's, in essence, it's just pure love, and then you're dropped into something that's hard, and heavy, and requires things.

And I just recognize I was back in a body, but I didn't recognize my body.

Yeah

That helped you climb the corporate ladder.

Oh, [chuckles] by twenty-five, I was a vice president.

I just was merciless.

I didn't care if you had been there thirty-five years or ten minutes.

If you had to go, I didn't think twice about it.

Yeah, I just didn't connect with people very well.

I could not understand the idea of compassion or empathy for others when placed in an environment that required the lack of those things.

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