So

with the exception of the ones that are, you know, commonly available, I mentioned cedar, for example.

So we had this series of meetings, first year COVID, where we invited stakeholders, growers, conventional growers also, academics, indigenous folks, nonprofits, private contractors like myself.

And we just asked them like, why is it so hard? What's, what's the barrier? And everybody had their own perspective of like what the problem was for them.

Like everybody's like, I don't have agency.

I don't have, I can't take a risk.

There was all these reasons.

So you must deal with a lot of commercial and not-for-profits and stuff like that as well, selling plants?