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Jon Swartz

Jon Swartz

Oct 21, 2026

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What do you think?
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It's, you know, it's the beginning.
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It's, to me, it kinda warms my heart.
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I mean, I, I go to demonstrations, not frequently, but maybe once every few months, and the one thing that always stands out to me, and everyone talks about this at the, at the rallies, is that there's nobody under 50 there.
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They're all older people, and they're like, "Where are the young people?" So maybe it took OpenAI and its various challenges and issues to kind of create this, this movement.
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I mean, it's modest at first, but as we all know, these modest...
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Indivisible started as a very small movement, and it grew into this national phenomenon, and I think maybe the same things at work here.

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I think that's the old saying, isn't it?
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are going to probably go down that path
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where eventually that person will lose their job as somebody in hiring or in talent acquisition and retaining people.
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So, They in talking about the specifics of what they're doing, they in a sense kind of led me to believe that they are going to eliminate these jobs.
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Now, they also I can't I'm not going to betray this guy, but he accidentally told me another major customer of theirs that is in the fast food industry.
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So you can you can probably guess who it is that was really ramping this up.
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because this company believes more in the idea of hiring in kind of the background HR stuff than they are in terms of replacing people at the counter.
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Um, now that said, we also had a story that we did about a Danish supermarket that's, that's trying human aid robots to handle repetitive tasks like restocking shelves.

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John, what was the mood at this event at the end of the day? What did you, you know, what was,
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John,
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what's going on here? Okay, I'll give you a quick recap because OpenAI is a story that just keeps on giving.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So this today...
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The Federal Trade Commission did confirm this Axios report that it has issued subpoenas to OpenAI and Anthropic.
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and kind of an escalation of this investigation they've been looking into over potential consumer protection violations, privacy practices, and safety incidents.
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The biggest thing that the regulators are looking at, they're most concerned about, are the disclosures involving unreleased AI models that exhibit rogue behaviors and have performed them during testing, including aggressively bypassing security protocols and hacking into websites.

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If I understand what Kroger is saying, based on your article, he's saying that we're laying off people now in anticipation that AI will somehow or other reduce his cost of labor and make the…
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And they're
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basically...
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Right.
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They're their own worst enemies in a way.
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They have mixed messaging.
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They're telling us you can be never... be more productive than ever.
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Yet on the same time, I mean, I was going to save this for later in the discussion for the B block.

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My wife, on the other hand, she likes to push every button there is, including probably mine.
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And my question to you, you know, can we trust our eyes and ears anymore? What's going on here? And how does this
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play out? So from what I could gather from the story, the Defense Department and CISA announced these plans recently.
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I mean, they've had two years between major elections, so they want to secure the midterm elections, but they announced this idea against admittedly traditional threats like vulnerable systems, insider threats, and compromised databases.
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But the two questions I have, and I have a lot of issues with this, is that they waited so long, and they're also part of an administration that gutted CISA in the first place.
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And they're also working within an administration that's doing everything it can to try to foment confusion and chaos before these elections.
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And in a sense, also, maybe they're missing the point because within the story, there's a CTO at Lumio, Gary Barlett, who points out that the adversary today doesn't necessarily compromise the infrastructure so much as AI-generated content, right? We're talking about influence campaigns, disinformation to undermine our trust.
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So this is going on.

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But, you know, is all this wave of cybercrime going to go unnoticed?
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so much money to be made from
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them.
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You can't turn them off.
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They'll go to China if you do.
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And he's kind of frameworking this as a national security imperative.
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Meanwhile, there's a Wall Street Journal poll, white spirit sentiment to slow down AI development because of the anti-data center movement, among other things.
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There's also indications that The anti-data center backlash is picking up steam in Europe and Asia where the energy costs are much higher and the public population centers are much more dense.

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And heck, we might even go back in and fix the ones we already built that were built in a way that, shall we say, is, well, irresponsible from an environmental power consumption perspective.

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