So I guess just from where you sit, what do you think has really been happening in the market in consulting over the last 12, 18 months? What are people worried about? Conversely, what are they optimistic about? What do you see going on in the many customers you work with?

Sure.

So I think sort of stepping back, I guess my deco plus sort of working at CMAP, sort of serving the services community or working as part of the service and career working alongside a lot of consulting firms.

I think there's been more press coverage on the state of consulting in the last six or 12 months than that.

The last decade combined has suddenly become everyone's favorite topic.

But I think a lot of the press coverage in the hyperbole that's kicked around is very much concentrated at the top end and what's happening with Big Four or MBB.

And there's a lack of coverage around what's happening in sort of the core of the SME mid-market, which is more where we sit.

So we're