It's drums, it's metal percussion, and then synths and vocals, and then you on guitar.

That's the recipe right there, yeah.

Sweet.

You know, when this was, when I was, you know, I didn't have a band.

The blues explosion had ended and I really missed being in a band and I wanted to have a band again.

And I tried putting something together and things didn't work out.

And then I thought like, well, why don't I just make a record first and then I'll put a band together.

I want to play this for the kids at school tomorrow.

Mm.

But Deke is, Dickerson is somebody that I was following on social media.

I really enjoyed the stuff he posts about country music and roots music of all sorts, and, um, you know, he's kind of a h- an historian and, and, and a real geek about old, old guitars and recording equipment and everything.

But after Trump's re-election, Deke posted something about just how, you know, sick and heartbroken he was, and so I, I wrote him and, um, you know, like I was writing some other people at the time-You know, "Hey, I don't, you know, we've never met, but I just, you know, I wanna ...

I just..." I can't remember exactly what I wrote, but again, it's just to kind of, uh, just to reach out and make a connection i- in this terrible time, you know, terrible moment, you know, and say, uh, you know, saying like, I guess to, for, out of solidarity, out of love.

And f- a few weeks later, we were on tour on the West Coast, and Deke has a home studio, and I hit him up saying like, "Hey, we're gonna be passing by.

Uh, can we pop in for a studio visit?" And we ended up doing a session.

Thank you for indulging me and being back on the show, and I wish you the best of luck, and I hope I see you and that we speak again soon.

Yeah, I'm sure it was, yeah.

I think it was when it was, you know, the, the younger boys and, and Elena in the band.

And so, um, but so, you know, Whitney, uh, is, Whitney is a guy, he, he f- was, uh, and is still the front of house engineer for the Jesus Lizard, and that's how I got to know him.

Early on in the Blues Explosion career, we played a lot of shows supporting the Jesus Lizard, got to know Whitney O'Keefe, and then Whitney began to, uh, run sound for, uh, not just Blues Explosion, but also Boss Hog.

Whitney's a, a very s- great, he's a great engineer, great live engineer, and a real sweetheart.

Um, and, uh, so I thought it was, you know, and at the time I think m- maybe The Fall were being booked in the States by, by my agent, uh, and that's how, you know, how Whitney got in there.

I don't know.

Nope

... completely factually ina- inaccurate.

Absolutely.

So, I mean, I think the number one, which is what me and Dave were talking over X, is that Israel is intentionally killing civilians, especially children.

That's not a factual statement at all because it doesn't even include the base information.

So it's almost like, you know, you just don't know the information you need to know to make that judgment and, you know, let's forget comparing it to a domestic...... situation, like Dave continues to do on Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, others, like if somebody killed my kids and I, I know where he's at and I go to that apartment b- building, I kill everybody in it, that's murder.

And that's what Israel is doing, and that's not true.

Even you, Piers, have commented about Israel striking something and saying, "Look, look at the number of civilians.

But can you think of another scenario where the proportion of children that is in the attack zone has been 50% or higher and therefore we're seeing so many children being killed?