But loads of it happened in '77, didn't it?

Yes.

I mean, I suppose what I, in a way, um, my own experience was that I didn't see a punk group till October, and that was The Clash, and then I saw the three big British punk groups by Christmas, and it was still very raw and very energetic.

And what you have in '77, what I remember is I started working on the music press in April, and was writing in it every week.

So I got burned out on punk really quickly, and I was really fed up with it by autumn of '77.

You had all these awful groups, um, like The Maniacs, and The Tools, and London, all these dreadful pub rock groups that are going one, two, three, four, and wearing leather jackets.

And I didn't like The Stranglers, and I didn't like The Jam, and they were the kind of, you know, you know, commercially, uh, viable variants.

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