Mm-hmm.

"I haven't read the right books." And so that was really like edifying to kind of see those two worlds.

And then I ended up moving to, to Pittsburgh to become a professor myself at Carnegie Mellon University, where I teach, uh, socially engaged art.

And, and Larry was, uh, you know, Larry wrote my recommendation letter for me to get the job.

And then, you know, it was probably reconnecting.

You know, Larry passed not too long after I moved.

And I think when I got reconnected with, in terms of like the work and, and the estate was Max and Kelly and I were putting together an archive of images of Larry's that had never been published from contact sheets and outtakes and found footage and found photos, uh, for Fellowship Trust.

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