What actually has changed when you stopped seeing yourself as a provider only and started seeing yourself more so as a leader at home?

Well, I mean, I changed my priorities.

There was a moment in time, you know, a really, really tough stretch of life when things were getting really tough to manage at work when it came to work stress and that things were boiling over at home.

things got so challenging for me that I was pretty much forced to like take a step back and reassess some things.

And while it was really painful, I wouldn't, I wouldn't give that whole painful experience back for anything because it did force me to stop and reassess some things.

And, uh, Now my kids are at the top of the priority.

And I don't just say that because it feels good.

It's a whole formula, and it's like compounding, compound growth, as well isn't that so yeah interesting well what what was it that that she was tracking for those two weeks i'm curious if you would share i

Mm-hmm

... okay to talk about feelings and you were told that it's okay to have feelings, and sometimes we lose control of our emotions, and we don't have to beat ourselves up for that, whatever.

If you're having those conversations, like, you're kind of able to speak a different language almost.

Instead of somebody that's never been exposed to that, then it's just like, "What am I feeling? I don't like it.

I'm going to, like, just take some action because I'm uncomfortable, and I, I need to feel better about the situation." And, you know, for some people, you know, it's handing out a punishment.

I don't know.

Maybe you know better than I.

So what if Dad blows up, messes up, misses his goal? What, how do you repair?

Mm

... and anxiety that, that I was not just bringing home, but really sort of living in all the time.

I started at this company.

I worked there for, like, 18 years.

Started part-time, um, in a creative space.

I went to art school.

Um, I...

What's, like, a, a way that dads can stop or tamp down that reactivity and transform that into more of that leadership that you just described?