So on the eve here of another clarifying election, where's the country at, particularly spiritually?

Spiritually speaking, I think we're in a very similar place to where we were in 2020 as far as the number of self-proclaimed Christians.

There's a lot of hype about there's a revival underway, especially among Zoomers.

I've been skeptical about this.

I think there are some positive things happening.

I don't want to say there's not.

There's certainly interest in spirituality and And there's an increase in people willing to say, I'm a Christian, to identify with that label.

So how do we, well, number one, what's your reaction to that? Number two, if you tend to agree, how do we reconcile these two dynamics then? The one that you've articulated and the one that I just did?

John, tell us about it.

Yeah.

Thank you, Jim, and, and thank you, Jake, for being here.

So I'm not a, an Episcopal, uh, Episcopalian, I guess you would say.

I am an evangelical who grew up in a non-denominational Bible church, so this was somewhat of a foreign, uh, project.

I didn't know a lot about this particular church.

However, I think if you just study American history, and that's one of my master's degrees is in history, uh, y- you find the Episcopal Church is all over our country's history.

How long is the documentary itself? And tell people again the name and tell them where they can go watch it, and any other thing you want to share about it.

But maybe something more subtle that is, that is a fruitless, aimless pursuit along the lines of what you're warning against.

Well, there's so many.

It's hard to narrow it down.

I think the thing that happened the night before that I saw was, uh, Tucker Carlson's interview with, um, Rees-Mogg, and so many of the things that he talked about, I just kept asking myself, "What's the point of this?" Even if what he's saying is true, w- what are we supposed to do with this? Is it just supposed to be some kind of intellectual superiority of like, "Oh, you're right about World War II"? I think that was part of it.

Um, I just didn't see the fruit.

But, but today, actually, I just made a post today, and I was kind of joking and mocking, but, um, I said, "Look, there's a lot of discussion out there about fat pastors and whether or not you should go to a church that has a fat pastor, uh, who might have gluttony problems.

But what about skinny pastors? No one's talking about the skinny pastor problem.

John.

So anyway, I hope I'm making sense.

You are.

We have the luxury of imagining a perfect world and then making that the enemy of the good, perhaps at certain points.

And if you're in a bind, like we were in a major bind in 2020, you don't have that luxury.

You just need relief.

You need the pressure to stop.

And so that united a lot of us.

They want to be left alone by the government, but they don't want to do anything to ensure that that becomes true.

Um, how did you go from, from, uh, from the high school to Florida State transition? How did that occur?

So Cleveland State, um, I really got close to one of the managers, uh, Adam Balogh.

He, uh, is the assistant DOBO at Florida State.

He's been there for a while.

He's fantastic as well.

I think he's the best in the, in the country.

And he just, you know, just growing that relationship with him just rebounding and, you know, me trying to get better, him trying to get better and, you know, you just that mutual bond and he just kind of reached out to me and was like, "Hey, like, you can do this, like, graduate, you know, assistant thing.

Mm-hmm

Uh, but you guys also discuss quite a lot about how you want to be kind of price parity or have price parity with diesel vehicles, and so I'm trying to kind of sort out what is- what is the main goal of the company? Is it to, uh, to improve the planet a bit or just to make better vehicles? What's the driving pulse behind Harbinger?

Well, it's both of those things, and I think you can't have one without the other.

Selling a lot of climate companies really struggle to understand if you don't have revenue, you're not making an impact.

Like, that's it.

And you're not gonna have revenue for any meaningful length of time in automotive unless you're selling a product at the right price.

The right price for a truck is the current price of a truck.

The fact that we wanna sell you an electric vehicle doesn't make that vehicle worth two or three or five times more money to the end user.

Yeah.