Talk about how you pick the stuff you pick and then talk about how you put it together.

Sure.

Leading to answer the first part of it, I kind of got into telling scary stories.

You know, I liked horror movies, but unlike a lot of people in the field and my peers and people I have conversations with regularly, I was a late bloomer.

I did not, you know, my parents did not show me Exorcist when I was six.

You know, I did not dive into Michael Myers by the time I was eight.

My family wasn't really into horror.

okay, well, I'll search for podcasts.

Talk about how you pick the stuff you pick and then talk about how you put it together.

Sure.

Leading to answer the first part of it, I kind of got into telling scary stories.

You know, I liked horror movies, but unlike a lot of people in the field and my peers and people I have conversations with regularly, I was a late bloomer.

I did not, you know, my parents did not show me Exorcist when I was six.

You know, I did not dive into Michael Myers by the time I was eight.

My family wasn't really into horror.

okay, well, I'll search for podcasts.

If we look back to the, you know, to your podcast origins, what did that look like coming into the medium for the first time?

yeah so i mean i started before audio drama i had done a podcast where uh me and a friend talked about uh brazilian jiu-jitsu mixed martial arts something that i've been involved in for a long time in combat sports and you know for me I've always, I don't, a chip on your shoulder is probably the wrong word, but it's close.

Just a bitterness from high school or loneliness or whatever, the craving of success or to be noticed or something like that, which kind of drove me to get into writing.

And then when I realized I'm not that good of a writer and the publishers aren't going to be particularly interested in buying any of my books or printing any of my books.

I got into podcasting, and I got into podcasting at first because it was a desire to feel like I had a voice in something.

And to feel like, okay, I've got...

And maybe this is how everybody gets into podcasts, for all I know, is...

And you're like, why isn't this working? Why isn't anybody interested? This is clearly