That's my major issue [laughs]

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the mon- the, the money that they spend.

So you, if you're trying to get people trained quickly, apprenticeship levies may not be the right d- decision for you, but actually there is some real money there where you could invest in people, uh, in that middle space and c- and get some really solid outcomes.

So I'm hoping that there's gonna be s- s- some significant change there in coming months, but we'll see how we go.

But your, back to your question, which was kind of our messy middle, which was, and it wasn't necessarily messy.

It was that we had a workforce that was, uh, very young, kind of first jobs.

And I guess, how does that relationship work best? Where have you seen it work in a really kind of positive way? And maybe what do some places get wrong?