And what I find for myself is when I have like real production use from one or several companies for something, I really... get into these mental warps and hoops because they run into all kind of scenarios that I didn't even like imagined and it forces you really almost like a rock through time to really form and shape and rethink and then I wonder if you reflect on these crates that you didn't have a need for do you find ways to anyway get through those hoops or is it like it is whatever it is and if ever somebody really cares they will find it

So I think maybe a good example here is actually the IMAP crate.

So the IMAP crate was not my original invention.

It was made by someone, I forget their last name, but Matt N something.

Anyway, the IMAP crate was owned by this person who I had some early interactions with and I contributed some things to the crate.

And then they just sort of vanished.

I don't know what happened.

And did they always have it? Like this driver, was it there and WebDriver is just a glue between or did they make it specifically? No, so