I would love to begin by, you know, what, what came first for you? Was it, you know, a draw to work with families or was it through your work and in psychology that you, that you came to this area of care?

Uh, I originally, I was interested in the psychology route.

Um, actually before that I was interested in performance.

I was going to do singing, but I, I just decided like, I don't think that's a sustainable career when I got to college.

And so I just decided to do psychology because I've always been someone that's been interested in people and specifically in like relationship dynamics.

Um, Not just like couples, but like friendships and familial relationships and things like that and just how people interact.

And how I became a doula was, I mean, really completely random, to be honest.

If that's going well, pretty much everything else has a greater chance of being worked out.