Right

... you know, diamonds and mineral.

Because it is where this targeted sanctions will hurt the regimes.

And when our trade unions are still organizing and fighting for garment workers' right, it has to be very careful for external allies to choose their target so that we don't cause friendly fire.

And sometimes, right, any boycott or, you know, sanctions would hurt the workers or innocent people, but I feel what, as allies and solidarity groups, what we mean by solidarity is we are speaking on behalf of someone.

So it is the someone that matters.

It is the someone which in our, in CCC case, the trade unions on the ground, who have to guide us our positions and guide our messaging, instead of some campaigners from Global North parachutings and say, "We're gonna do this and do that," and feel and believe this is for the best interest for the peoples on the ground.

It also reminds me of something that you said that has shaped this discussion we're gonna have tomorrow, which was often at conferences in particular, people sit on stage and they say, "This is what we want external actors to do, governments, brands, the consumer." But actually, when do we start to ask what do we do, we the workers, or we at the grassroots, or we the activists on the ground?