How did you get into that?

Well, yeah.

Literally, going back to 1987, mum would drop me to school.

And as we'd go on the morning route to school, we'd spot this elderly man with a walking stick on his morning walk.

And mum said to me, Johnny, see that man there? That's the first man to climb Mount Everest.

So I lived in Auckland, about as far away from the mountains in New Zealand as you can live.

You know, we've got these beautiful Southern Alps there in the South Island.

I mean, in your view, where do you see AI playing a role in something like a TMS or even more broadly just in the transport industry?