Expand on that a little bit more.

Well, you know, I like to say that when you think of leadership as a car, It's not this nice, red, hot-looking Ferrari.

It's a beat-up, old, dented, multi-paint-colored, leather-seat-cracked Ford truck.

No.

You know, and I sometimes surprise those people at the workshops or the people that I'm coaching.

I like to kind of start that story.

You know, I tell that story to the folks that I'm coaching.

So give us a sense, what is rounding and how can it be applied in different settings as a great fundamental for leaders? In every organization that I worked,