Uh, so they can't squeeze it all in, but they certainly didn't talk about the Hardy Plant Society.

No, which was, uh, was frustrating in a way because that's sort of how they came to us actually.

They, every now and again, they contact, I think, a lot of the garden societies and say, "We're looking for this type of garden." So last year they were looking for Mediterranean gardens.

Um, this year, well, last year now I suppose, it, they came looking for city gardens and, and the p- person who looks after our PR was like, "Steve, this is yours." So they came to us through the H- HPS, and then all the way through the, the, the sort of, you know, production, pre-production and, and discussions and things, they were like, "Yeah, yeah, we love the fact you're chair of the Hardy Plant Society." And then we filmed it, um, during the interview section, and we talked about it, and then I tried getting a second mention in-

They were onto you.

But then they didn't use it at all, and did ...

We got an email from the production team a couple of days later, I suppose on the Monday after it was shown on the Friday, just saying, "Were you happy with it?" And I went back saying, "Lovely piece.

Disappointed there was no mention of the charity because that's how you found me, and that was sort of the agreement." And I actually then got an e- an email from the editor, um, the, the, the, the whole series editor saying, yeah, um, she said it w- it was just a decision in the edit suite.