Yeah

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but, but basically, he's been making quite a bit about the whole question of what does an anathema mean.

And I think it's worth talking about sort of the historical background of even the word anathema, 'cause if you look at the Septuagint translation, the Septuagint uses it to translate the Hebrew word herem, which is what's talked about, for example, when Jericho was destroyed and, uh, God commanded the Israelites to not touch any of the s- the things that were in Jericho or take any of the loot because it was herem.

It was ...

I think the King James says it was, these were devoted things.

But basically, it means basically, you think about the word harem.

That's right

I asked Father John how he talks about the Ukraine invasion with his parishioners.

Here, we wanna pray for the war to end, but, you know, it doesn't really matter what our opinions about who started it is anyway because we're, we're not in a position to do anything about it.

Fortunately, we've not had many people who've left.

No Ukrainians have left, but we've had, like, maybe one or two families that were not happy with, uh, the fact that we even had the name Russian in our name or that we're commemorating Patriarch Kirill.

I've got to ask you, how can you commemorate as holy someone who's actually not just failing to call for peace in the war in Ukraine but actually championing it?

Well, he actually has called for peace, but he's certainly made statements where he was supporting the war effort.

In the case of Patriarch Kirill, a lot of what he said has actually been distorted.

You know, he's, he's the patriarch, and I'm not.