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Uh, and so I, I've long been very interested in, uh, I was a newspaper boy and, uh, when I was a kid, and then I became a reporter, th- then eventually got into teaching and publishing.

But, um, I've always, uh, admired those investigative reporters and, uh, they, uh, are- they're doing their best and, uh, these poets are doing their best, too.

And, uh, they don't have a daily newspaper, the poets don't.

So, uh, I just try to do my little, make my little contribution and, um, to give them a chance to, to speak to the, uh, you know, the deregulation and the degradation, but also...

That's going on, uh, but also their love and respect for nature, too.

And of course, their deep concern about what's going on with our, um, with our water and our, our air and the land itself sinking.

Yeah.