... that's all pulling in the right direction?

Yeah.

No, I think you make a fair point.

I mean, and, you know, and it's kind of funny, in my own opinion.

I kind of think it's tr- it's, I wouldn't say tragedies.

It's times and situations like we saw with the DEI, with the Me Too movement.

You know, it was what the police had called the Ferguson Effect from, you know, riots in the street back in times, you know, um, not too long ago with, I forget the, the victim's name, the murder, and police were afraid of doing their jobs.

Right

[laughs]

But, um, uh, Richard used to have this dude that worked for him.

Um, that came over to, to me, um, and, um, and, uh, he said, uh, you know, uh, "Uh, M- uh, Richard would like to say hello to you." And I walked across the room, and Richard was kind of frail.

He, MS was getting him, but it wasn't as bad.

Ah.

'Cause, yeah, he was, he was the ultimate storyteller.

And, um, I still take a lot from him as a storyteller in terms of the way that he would bend stuff, bend lines, and he would just, you know, he was the, he was the, the storyteller of the streets.