John, do you want to come in there with any thoughts on that? I

mean, I completely agree with what Nata just said, and she's stolen a lot of what I wanted to say.

But I think there's a roadmap.

think that's what Nata was pointing out that there is a roadmap map to this development and right at the start of that is a pre-procurement process is looking at how do we buy that is so important I did a piece of research about 14 years ago and it absolutely showed that a lack of standardization in the NHS was because there was a lack of planning around procurement And then the knock-on effect of that lack of standardisation led to more difficult maintenance, more difficult user training, and ultimately more risk.

And like you just said, Narta and Sally, the patient should come first.

So what should we be thinking about? We should be thinking about the NHS making it safer and better for patients, making it more clinically efficient.

And how do we do that through the new hospital programme? It's through pre-planning.

And both needs to understand where gives and gets are in this relationship.