Is that really what's going on here?

Yeah, absolutely.

The NICLAS, which is the primary organization that is a really founded by a real estate developer masquerading as an animal rights organization.

It was even in 2008 when it was founded, the original pamphlet that they put out referenced the value of the stables in Hell's Kitchen as three stables, extremely valuable.

So this is what this fight's always been about.

Uh, it's, it's every inch of the way it's been about this real estate.

And, uh, and finally the New York city, the outer borough, uh, New York city council is in particular should be ashamed of themselves for going along with this real estate grab or Julie Mennon lied.

Are you aware? Is there any data that can prove their point? Because she can't just say that without providing all these examples.

Is that really what's going on here?

Yeah, absolutely.

The NICLAS, which is the primary organization that is a really founded by a real estate developer masquerading as an animal rights organization.

It was even in 2008 when it was founded, the original pamphlet that they put out referenced the value of the stables in Hell's Kitchen as three stables, extremely valuable.

So this is what this fight's always been about.

It's every inch of the way it's been about this real estate.

And finally, the New York City, the outer borough, New York City Council is in particular, should be ashamed of themselves for going along with this real estate grab.

So when is that contract up for the trains and the bus riders and those people?

Tell us about what you hear about the real estate on 11th Avenue, 12th Avenue, John Simon.

So this is all about the real estate.

It always has been about the real estate.

There are two stables, two primary stables that act as bookends, essentially as bookends to the Javits Center.

So in Chelsea and Hell's Kitchen.

The group NICLAS, which is the main proponent of getting rid of the horses, they're a so-called animal rights organization, but they were founded by a real estate developer named Steve Neslich.

And even in the original brochure, uh from about 20 years ago the value of the stables was actually listed was a primary thing that was listed in the brochure about how the stables are underutilized what were being used to to stable horse and carriages so it's always been about the money uh julie menning committed to us to support us and support this industry support the workers her abrupt change was all about the money and the real estate developers and by the way with President Trump's tweet.

For the ones who get it done.

Tell us about what you hear about the real estate on 11th Avenue, 12th Avenue, John Simon.

So this is all about the real estate.

It always has been about the real estate.

There are two stables, two primary stables that act as bookends, essentially as bookends to the Javits Center.

So in Chelsea and Hell's Kitchen.

The group NICLAS, which is the main proponent of getting rid of the horses, they're a so-called animal rights organization, but they were founded by a real estate developer named Steve Neslich.

And even in the original brochure, uh from about 20 years ago the value of the stables was actually listed was a primary thing that was listed in the brochure about how the stables are underutilized what were being used to to stable horse and carriages so it's always been about the money uh julie menning committed to us to support us and support this industry support the workers her abrupt change was all about the money and the real estate developers and by the way with President Trump's tweet.

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What is your background? Where are you from? How did you get into this? What's your schooling? Tell me.

Well, I have a high school diploma.

I went to Calhoun Catholic School in Brooklyn.

So I graduated Najwa High School in East Flatbush in Brooklyn.

I'm from a place called Garrison Beach, so largely working class Irish neighborhood in Southern Brooklyn.

I still live here.

I live right where my, my father grew up.

Will AI eventually replace transit workers? Is that a threat that you people would be worried about?

that?

Well, we believe and there's a lot of evidence that points to this as being the truth.

We believe that Manhattan real estate people want to develop the stables that the horses are in.

It makes perfect sense.

And there's a lot of evidence that points to that, as I said.

So night class is largely it was founded by real estate developers.

Night class is the main advocacy group that wants to get rid of the horses out of Central Park.

you want to

I've heard too many bad things lately.

You know, I do think there's problems.

There are problems related to air traffic control, which actually go beyond the TW's Ballywick.

I know there's an effort underway right now to actually rebuild the air traffic control systems.

Super important.

From our perspective, there's one big secret, the dirty big secret of the airline industry is the amount of maintenance work that they do in foreign countries.

And this has been a fight that the TWU has fought for a long time.

How do you envision 2026 for the American people?

John Samuelson, what's going on in Central Park? Because you know how I feel about the horses.

Well, certainly they're definitely part of the ambiance of Central Park, and that has certainly borne itself out in the polling.

The goers to the park don't want to see the horses disappear.

They understand that the horses are part of the fabric of Central Park, the horse and carriages.

But you said it right.

For us, it's 170 jobs that are largely held by immigrants.

They've historically been a pathway into economic security and into the middle class for workers.

I hear they want to put some electric vehicles in the park.