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John Ryan
Co-founder and Editor-in-Chief of Lawdragon and author of "America's Trial: Torture and the 9/11 Case on Guantanamo Bay," award-winning legal affairs journalist who has covered the Gitmo 9/11 military commissions since 2015.
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Oct 13, 2026
John Ryan, "America's Trial"
51:05
64:46
Brian LambHOST
One, I have to [chuckles] ask you, why did you tell us that in your book? But secondly, what caused the divorce? And, you know, give us a little bit more of your own personal details of how difficult this was to continually go back and forth.
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51:22John RyanGUEST
I- in my journalism career, I've probably used the I voice, you know, the first person voice once or twice maybe.
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51:30John RyanGUEST
Um, but I think when putting together the book after a first draft, which it had a little bit of first person but mostly third person, uh, the editor said, really suggested, "You know, you gotta take the reader through it through your eyes.
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51:50John RyanGUEST
You do research for your first trip, you go on your first trip, you're hooked, and you keep going." And he said, "The case is so confusing, the history is so confusing, that the reader needs a guide, a steady guide, and it has to be you.
13 MINS LATER
Brian LambHOST
Could the secretary of defense, if he decided, get involved in this and have an impact on the outcome?
BN+: John Ryan, "America's Trial"
50:20
64:00
Brian LambHOST
One, I have to ask you, why did you tell us that in your book? But secondly, what caused the divorce? And, you know, give us a little bit more of your own personal details of how difficult this was to continually go back and forth.
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50:35John RyanGUEST
Yeah, I-- i-in my journalism career, I've probably used the I voice, you know, the first-person voice once or twice maybe.
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50:44John RyanGUEST
Um, but I think when putting together the book after a first draft, which it had a little bit of first person, but mostly third person, uh, the editor said, really suggested, "You know, you gotta take the reader through it through your eyes.
13 MINS LATER
Brian LambHOST
Could the Secretary of Defense, if he decided, get involved in this and have an impact on the outcome?