Yeah, one of the things that intrigued me was, looking into your work was this idea of balancing theory and approachability how do you do that because um theory and approachability normally do not coincide under the same house

yeah um you know i think a lot of times maybe we're just like using words like you know i I think for us, when we were younger, we were definitely more interested in the concept or conceptual idea of something that we were trying to do.

And we would probably even to our detriment, say that to our clients when we were 15 something years ago, where we would say like, yeah, I know you have a budget, but like this idea is like very important for you to execute.

Like and obviously it's just like you don't like you're young.

You don't understand the realities of kind of marrying a couple of things.

There was a there was a project of ours that was became like very important to the studio.

that I like, I won't kind of go through the whole story of it, but we essentially got this very modern home approved in this very conservative area.

Go for it.