Yeah.

I at 21, I got in my car, packed it up with stuff from Minneapolis and moved to L.A. and went to a school called Art Center College of Design, which is very commercial, slick school.

I was kind of an oddball because I loved Kubrick and Truffaut and Hitchcock.

And it was a very slick.

A lot of commercial directors came.

Michael Bay came out of there.

Tarseem was in our class.

So if you could talk to me about how you came about this film.

I love when he talks about this.

[laughs] Um, I was in film school, got out of film school, wasn't sure, like, should I dive in and make movies like I wanted to, or should I go and learn about the world? And all the great artists have trauma and turmoil in their lives, and I grew up in Minnesota with a great life, and I had none of that.

And so I called a friend of mine who's a psychologist, I went to school with him in Minneapolis, and I said, "What should I do?" And he goes, "Dummy, you're in LA.

You're in the backyard of the original hotline." The LA Suicide Prevention Center is the first hotline ever that the model was made on.

He said, "Go volunteer.

You'll learn all about the human condition."

[laughs]

So I, I volunteered, and I'm still there, and that was right after college, so I've been there forever.