And we will go on to, uh, uh, on to interflection in a moment, but how important do you feel interpersonal skills are? Cause like you said, if they had all the tech skills and it wasn't their fault, if they hadn't been coached into interpersonal skills, but going into any sort of corporate environments, what, how important do you feel it is to have the interpersonal skills?

You know, the numbers speak loudly here.

One of the biggest breakdowns in corporate America are communication skills.

People do not communicate effectively.

They avoid difficult conversations because they're uncomfortable.

And that's really where it starts breaking down.

The avoidance and for personalized reasons, people don't like confrontation.

i think that's fantastic i mean having the holtzman leadership kind of at the foundation of this work i think is going to be a game changer for sure yeah how do you feel because typically like leadership programs they scale but you don't always get like behavioral change and and same with coaching coaching sort of changes behavior but it doesn't always scale how are you trying to solve i guess both sides of the equation