Give me your three, and then we'll... [chuckles]

I'm gonna try three very different books, and none of these are, uh, how to teach books.

The first one is a book I've leaned on a lot.

Most of what I said that made- might prove valuable to listeners, I stole from J.I. Packer.

And the book he wrote that I'm always eager to commend is Grounded in the Gospel: Building Believers the Old-Fashioned Way.

And this is a, this is an argument for catechesis.

J.I. Packer spent the last decade in his life really promoting catechism.

Those are the same