So anything on Michael Jaco that you have?

Well, uh, me, th- I think folks know he's had a, I think it's 34 years of service to this country in a variety of capacities with the, uh, CIA, with the, as a sniper, I believe, a, a Navy SEAL, um, you know, uh, high-risk environments.

Uh, he's got some incredible stories, uh, and that he has publicly shared.

I interviewed him, I think it was last year, and a show I suspended now, uh, just because there's, I got other priorities, but, uh, called Conversations of Consequence, where we feature important voices of our time and learn about their life and their journey and, and, and whatever they would like to share with us and have them weigh in, and it was a great episode with Michael.

I've known Michael many years.

Uh, many years ago when I lived in Sarasota, I, uh, contacted a lot of patriots, maybe 50, and they all came over to the house.

We, uh, I said, "We need to take one day and celebrate spirit of Christmas, um, and get off the battlefield." And we had Scott McKay there and, uh, uh, Louis Hermus and, um, uh, not General Flynn, but some people from his camp.

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Tell us a little bit about that, John, in Leviton, New York back then.

Yes, Leviton, New York.

How it went was raised Catholic, as many of us were back in those days, and And it was more of a rote thing.

I don't think it was really embedded in their spirit completely, what Catholicism was preaching.

But, you know, you did it.

You went to church on Sunday.

You made sure you went to Easter and Christmas and did all those things.

yeah i didn't know that research