John Merritt

It's one of the greatest stories of humanity.

But I was talking recently to, um, um, um, one, one of our, Fiona's oldest friends is the daughter of Joe Slovo, who was one of Mandela's key people in the, in the ANC.

And- You know, if you talk to, I'd lo- I've never met Mandela's children to talk to them, but I wonder how much they think, and of course one of them died when he was in prison, I wonder how much they think, "Well, my dad was never here for me.

He was in jail fighting a bigger fight."

It is a cheery book.

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It's, no, it's a good, it's a good book, and it's, it's a, it's a really thoughtful book, and I thought your passages on your friends and on Fiona were the best bits of the book, and really powerful.

But there's been a lot of death.

And I was like, that's actually hilarious to see it on a sign, Goo Goo Dolls, Nicotine Dolls.

And I tried to make a joke with John, the lead singer.

I went up to him and I was so uncomfortable because I am such a, I grew up, you grew up like in the 90s and early 2000s, Goo Goo Dolls everywhere.

And I went up to him and I was like, hey, man.

And I was like, we're both dolls.

Isn't that funny? And then luckily he had someone that I think their job was to take him out of uncomfortable situations.

And he came up, he was like, hey, John, we got to go look at a flim flam.

And John was like, all right, man, I got to go.