What does it mean to them? What are some of the stories that you have about campers? I can only imagine like the difference it makes.

Oh, for sure.

And, you know, for so many of them, just this opportunity to, you know, just forget about, you know, their medical challenges, you know, the treatment that they're on and just be a kid again.

So to be around other kids that are going through similar experiences, they don't have to explain, you know, a scar that they have, a tube that they have, a loss of hair.

They're just able to just be a typical kid while they're at camp.

And Really, so much of our camps are just about helping them experience joy, laughter, adventure.

And all of our sites are fully accessible as well, which makes sure that all of the activities can be enjoyed and experienced by the kids that come.

what does this federal money mean that you've been granted? Will you be able to go national outside of Ontario? Is there a plan for that or no?

But it might just end up hurting everybody, which is what I think you and I were talking about Brand- with Brandi about off-air just earlier.

Yeah.

And not, not to be too pessimistic here, but it-- this, this one hurts.

Uh, and I, and I'm candidly very disappointed.

We, we met with, um, John Brooks specifically, and we met, we met with some pe- several people that, that we, we kind of articulated this, um, in all of our pages and pages of comments, we articulated this.

So I, I wa- I have been disappointed that, uh, that they weren't, clearly weren't listening, CMS was not listening to the impact that, that, that, uh, policy would have on driving, uh, consolidation.

And it almost seems like this is just adding, um, a little more fuel to that, to that process.

Sorry, I'm just doing it because that's what you're here for, and we can't, we cannot assess." [laughs]