Is that basically it, that just basically they're innocent until proven guilty? that's really

the nutshell.

It's, if it's a criminal code violation, then you're right.

That is the standard.

Uh, you have to have a beyond a reasonable doubt proof, the criminal standard, as opposed to the administrative law standard, which the civil standard, which is, oh, you know, more likely than not.

So you have to at least find that.

And at you know, to be honest, we're in a democratic constitution here.

With Bill 9 in Ontario, can you just explain to me kind of what this bill would do? Bill 9 was