So without stealing your thunder, how does it work with the American Trucking Association and getting that voice and that communication?

Communication is everything.

We meet on a virtual meeting every other week on a Thursday afternoon.

There are times folks can't be on, certain folks can't be on their conflicts and that's inevitable and that's fine.

But to maintain those open lines of communication, uh means everything so we share issues from the federal level perspective let them know in advance whether we may be calling on them to reach out to a member of congress or a senator and vice versa if they have a pressing matter they'll share with the rest of the group because oftentimes you'll see something pop up in one state and then it pops up in another state in today's very polarized world If it pops up in Texas or California, it's probably going to spread amongst red or blue states.

So there's kind of a race to outdo one another.

So it makes huge, because you can share, okay, these are the meetings we've had.

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