What's the bigger part of IT budgets?

That's right.

We found out that AI is taking up, say, around about 5% or a little less of IT budgets, at least amongst our respondents, whereas cloud is more like 17%, 18%, I think it was.

So much bigger and the biggest budget item by far.

Controlling cloud costs is quite a challenge.

For the past few years, cloud prices have been rising above inflation.

And from our respondents' comments, that picture is the same this year too.

Is it all just talk or has there been a practical move toward that?