How did you get into whisky? What happened?

That's a great question.

You know, my career in 1971, I started in an apprenticeship in BT as an engineer.

40 years later, I was a business manager and my customer was Lloyds Bank in London.

And after 40 years, you know, I thought I've had enough of this.

At that point, I wasn't into whisky at all.

And by sheer chance, again, this is a connection to...

Is it a 30-year-old?