Or the

technocratic proposition for salvation, do we unite in the flesh with our creatures to be saved? And we think that'll be a really, really easy proposition.

decision.

We think, no, no, no. There's a beast and there's a lamb, and the lamb is going to be breathing fire and twisting his mustache and murdering kids and stuff.

Of course, all that happens.

But the beast and the lamb are not as easy to distinguish.

In fact, I'll read just a little bit of the description.

Have you completed the anthem yet? From the prologue,

John Johnson, cut 44.

The real sweet spot is that Goldilocks zone for a data center, and data centers can be built in a way that's really sustainable.

Uh, Patmos built the first actually assessed clean energy data center in history.

But that happens in, like, the 10 to 50 megawatt zone.

That's also where the economics make the most sense, and we think that's where the market's really going.

And I think there is rightful friction and hesitation against big tech promises.

Um, and so we'll see where that happens.

You're with Brian Kilmeade.

Are the concerns legitimate for you for a guy in the business?

A lot of the concerns are legitimate.

The real question is about scale.

Uh, and great to be back, Brian.

There's no doubt that AI infrastructure, data centers, technology campuses are a part of the fabric of our economy.

That's here to stay.

But I think, you know, data centers have been around, uh, as long as there have been computers, right? And nobody's really noticed until mega corporations and technocrats started building at the gigawatt scale and above, and that's where it gets really dicey.

For people if, uh, for people in their town that hear they're gonna build a data center, you said go to the town hall, and some of the questions you should ask, you know, what are you asking in terms of subsidies? What is your water system? Obviously, what is your power system? What else? If you were just a townsperson, you're in your city, you hear about, uh, uh, someone coming down to build a data center, what other questions should we ask?

How do you think about artificial intelligence and what are some of your main concerns?

That's a very big question, but I'll try to break it down.

I think the biggest concern I have with the rise of what we call AI is the advent of the counterfeit human person.

I think we have a great opportunity, but a great challenge to to really clarify what a human person is, what a human person isn't.

And it's a great entry point into this discussion of materialism, emergent theories.

Like there's a lot of people in Team AI who say that a soul can be grown out of complexity.

And I think we, if I could speak as a Catholic, have to reject that categorically.

What do you think? Do you

So did you ever get did you get picked up by confines?

So so that's that's what it was heading out.

I was heading.

So I was doing a lot of ride alongs with Contra Costa County.

And that's where I had applied.

I had applied to Walnut Creek, which is Contra Costa County fire.

So that was leading me to get hired.

But how to differentiate what's out there, what's in the firehouse, what kind of to expect from a senior guy like yourself for these new guys coming on the job?

As far as challenges, what are the main challenges that you see that small internal audit teams have?

Yeah, I think the one that comes to mind at the very beginning is really matter of influence, right? So the challenge I think with small teams is being able to establish yourself as that trusted advisor, right? Right.

Because you're often working with a smaller company.

And at least in my experience, those smaller companies, you're often doing a lot of training and branding of what internal audit is all about.

And so you're the challenge is trying to.

establish yourself as someone who can come in and provide valid recommendations for the business, right? There may not be that implicit mandate that's coming down, you know, from the board.

You might have to establish that on your own.

And we focus just on delivering audits.

John, what about you? Where does forward-facing fit in your analysis of the go to big bass fishing?

Well, I not only think it diminishes big bass fishing, it's a detriment to fishing in general.

It's a violation of fair chase, and it goes against the essence of fishing, period.

The magic of fishing, the fun of fishing, it's not there when forward-facing sonar is involved in being employed.

It changes it into an entirely different entity.

An entity that I don't much care for.

And it's a whole different deal.

Yeah.

Jesus, we see God.

For sure.

No one has ever seen God, but the only, the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, He has made known.

Yep, that's, that's definitely there.Um, but there's, there's more, and you're gonna love it.

So hang in there.

We'll get there.

And, uh, if your mind is not blown, you can ask for your last donation to AMI back.

Tradere.

columbia and are you staying there is that are you traveling around or you is that your place

we travel around.

So, you know, every three months or so we'll, we'll go from one spot to another, but yeah, I'm still working the single family stuff.

I've actually been a little, little closer to land, but I'm doing RV parks and mobile home parks.

So those are kind of like big develop lots, you know, but they're just running them out by the space.

I know that there are probably some guys in here that have, you know, done some big deals and maybe thought about developing land and, you know, what to use the land for.

And, Um, I'm curious to know if you guys, or if anybody in here is doing stuff with mobile home parks and RV parks, you know, on some of these empty lots, vacant lots, you know, that they've found.

So have you done any ground up like park work? Are you buying parks? What are you doing?

Yeah, whatever it is.

And Albright.

But yeah.

Th- so there's a trail up in there, and that whole bottom trail I have loaded with stones, and John has loaded a couple stones, which he named the ogre stones 'cause they're huge.

Gigundous.

And-

Gigundous?

Gigundous.

And so given Milford is a large shareholder and Rioline said, how is the industry actually going given all those headwinds you've talked about?

It's been going very well, remarkably well.

So you've probably heard, I think New Zealand's tourism arrivals are up to almost pre-COVID levels, perhaps 96%, the most recent read.

This business we're in, Real NZ, is down in the South Island, so Otago, Southland, they're well ahead of pre-COVID levels, certainly in somewhere like Queenstown.

But the industry lifted roughly 10% this summer just gone.

The peak period just concluded was probably 10% or so higher in terms of guest numbers than the year before.

So that's really great.

Are you as positive about other sectors as you are about tourism?

... on the banks of what is now called the Humber River?

Uh, if you understand the archeology of this river, uh, kind of close to Lake Ontario, you know that there are villages that have been located along here for millennia.

Uh, the Wendat have, uh, for a thousand years before Europeans ever came here, occupied the upper reaches of the Humber River profoundly.

So, you know, dozens and dozens of villages and burial mounds and sacred sites all along these waterways.

And then in the, uh, 1600s, mid to late 1600s, this place was all, uh, Haudenosaunee territory.

There was a lot of, like, movement across these rivers, and sometimes even fighting over these rivers because of the possibilities they offered.

And when the Haudenosaunee, uh, occupied these lands, they built villages in Toronto, both along the riverways, one along the Humber here, uh, and the other one along the Rouge River, you know, at a place that was called Ganagagwuegong, Among the Birches.

Perfect.

Hmm.

And so, you know, on, on my day job side, this is what Patmos exists to counter, is creating a real technical infrastructure from the dirt up that's actually technology in the old-fashioned sense.

That is, it's a means to human ends.

It's a tool for human flourishing.

But the problem is, nobody else has that understanding.

Every, every big tech company, Google, AWS, you name it, Microsoft obviously, they all have the same exact product, and that product is you and it's me.

And so everything is about conforming the human personality and all of its transcendence to these very finite, very restrictive machines, which basically results in the human person being counter-formed into an object that is fit for transaction, use, and ultimately deletion.

Hmm

Remind us, what were the hits that defined the 2010s, and why do you think that decade was so special for Broadway?

For sure, yeah.

I think it's, it's a fascinating, uh, example.

And, and really what a lot of Broadway either scholars or members of the press talk about is, is y- y- you have this sort of 2001 entry of pre- The, of The Producers.

The Producers comes to Broadway, becomes this massive hit, introduces dynamic pricing to, to Broadway, which really had kind of just been n- not even touching that.

It was, it was, you know, you hear four prices, that's what that is.

We go through all of the 2000s, and you have things like The Producers and Jersey Boys, uh, that are, that are becoming hits on Broadway, but it is not...

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I was gonna say like, the star factor has really driven the plays.Isn't this the first year where the plays have out-grossed the musicals because of that?

I think they, I think they absolutely are, punching well beyond their weight of that way, and certainly there were weeks where the top three were Good Night and Good Luck, Othello, and Glengarry and Glen Ross.

But there have been other plays, Oh, Mary, which is a, a big hit, uh, as well as Stereophonic, which we produced last year, uh, were, were two shows that did not necessarily have, uh, household star names, and both were able to recoup, and both were able to run, uh, well over where they were supposed to be running, from that standpoint.

So, so the, just to get back to the business aspect of it, the, the, there are, just as it is in every aspect of the entertainment industry, movies, TV, film, there are shows that rise, and there are shows that fall, and there are surprises every year.

And yes, shows that have George Clooney or Denzel Washington or Kieran Culkin in them are going to do well.

But then there are always surprises here and there.

The Romeo and Juliet earlier in the season with Kit Connor and Rachel Ziegler was doing well over a million dollars in an 800-seat building, and, uh, surprised a lot of people on the street for the nature of what their box office star power was.

Yeah.