Mm-hmm.

And so being out there all day, watching the crowd build, watching the excitement build, and I got to go to the match.

I w- I was able to get in, and that was the only match I got to see.

And w- what a great match to see.

And I sat next to Diego Gutierrez, who, former player, played for the Wizards back in the day.

He's a professional soccer player.

He's played in an international competition.

Which race to you is more intriguing right now?

One of his handlers in the CIA, John Holt, believes Jaka was only out for money and was feeding the CIA fake stories to get paid.

I didn't think much of him at all.

He gave us some little tidbits about what was going on, but he never knew anything about the Pan Am bombing.

He knew a lot about Megrahi.

You think that adding money into the equation complicates things?

Well, it makes it easier for somebody to say whatever the person who's giving them the money wants them to say.

He believed he was making up stories to get money from the CIA.

He had walked into our embassy volunteering his services sometime before the bombing, and he claimed he was the manager of the, uh, at the Luqa Airport of the Libyan Arab Airlines office.

He claimed he had access to all these Libyan intel officers who would come in and out of Malta.

He talked about Megrahi and Fahima quite often.

He gave us some little tidbits about what was going on, but he never knew anything about the Pan Am bombing.

John didn't see Jaka as the missing piece of the puzzle.

He was a, uh...

I would call him a BS artist.