economy? Sure.

We've got a couple of issues, signature issues by the current administration that I think are the problem with inflation.

Obviously, we know about the war that's going on in the Gulf, and that has affected us, the price at the pump that we're paying for gas.

But backing up a little bit further, we think of some of those initial signature issues of President Trump, tariffs and immigration.

And I remember before Trump.

Trump came into office, I hurriedly got some work done with some guys thinking that the market's going to change on the labor that I rely on for construction.

Those prices are going to change.

You talked about the impact

How important is the youth to these banquets and these organizations and the future of the sport?

I think it's a crucial issue, especially in regard to the future of the sport.

As you know, hunters' licenses and fishing licenses, for that matter, have not exactly been going up real fast in terms of numbers because there was a time late in the 20th century that it went way down.

So getting people involved in that, understanding environmental issues in a very personal, direct way, we try to do as much education as anything else.

We have a lot of programs that are a lot of fun.

Kids go hunt doves and they go hunt pheasants and so on and so forth.

But we also try to explain about what kind of behavior is appropriate outdoors, safety around firearms, of course, and talk about habitat with them when we go out.

Now, for the people that, you know, don't hunt, but just happen to be listening to this on their way to their morning coffee or maybe to church on Sunday, tell them why this is important to them and how they could enjoy this particular banquet.

But anyway.

Well, there's no greater feel- like, I feel about Kristen in terms of an actress just like, uh- ... ultimate.

I, the women, she was on The Women on Broadway, one of the best performances I've ever seen.

That's a good gum.

Exact- she was such a bitch, and she didn't...

I had a disposable camera, trying to live more analog.

She's like, "Oh, absolut-" I'm like, "Take it.

I don't, throw it away.

So I understand you have to sort of put on a politician's...

I feel like I don't have to be that... diplomatic but i i was saying i got in trouble for saying in on our show i felt bad for her because she's too stupid to be in these waters at all in a way or not get it's not clicking what's happening around her and what people are trying to say to her she's out of her league in a way like like why are you on a reality show do you understand what's happening do you understand

yes it's the most we've gotten it was just hard that that to for even for her to have that conversation with anybody else just teddy it felt like maybe just that you've picked the wrong gal

Maybe I give people too much of a benefit of the doubt because I think that Tamara performs the Tamara she needs to perform when the cameras are rolling.

Not that she's saying she's not who she is, but I think maybe it's more her brand to be blunt or...

Because when I'm around her and...

Physical proximity.

I don't get an unempathetic, not empathetic person.

Okay.

I hate them.

I bought a lot of clothes.

I have a lot of clothes that I either haven't worn.

And just when I'm in the store, I'm the worst kind of customer because I go, oh, maybe I can be that person.

I can be the guy who wears flowy pants.

Like I buy things without a plan.

Yeah.

What did I say? What did I say, man?

No, no.

So the other texter that texted in about the PLCs, I wanted to clarify something.

So first off, PLCs can be used in industrial, mechanical operations, and they make modern life possible, right? So I just kind of wanted to clear that up, is that I absolutely appreciate what PLCs do, what they are.

My point was the communication of those PLCs did not used to be on TCP IP networks.

Now you see a lot of them that are.

So he is, you know, I guess he's talking about a head saw, a head mill, a head saw on a mill.

I'm fascinated by that.

servers get said yeah people hear that name is different it's not it's a

computer it's a computer that's just on steroids so it has more RAM, which is random access memory, which is how the OS, whatever it's running, which a lot of them aren't running.

It's an operating system.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, there you go.

But it's not running a typical Windows operating system.

I mean, there is Windows Server, but when you have a blade-dense data center like that, it's usually running something proprietary that all those computers in that row or rack, there's thousands of ways to configure it, are computing the same thing.

Terabytes

Do people get together to sort of, you know, gather evidence or anything?

No, not really, because there wasn't really any evidence.

And there's a number of WhatsApp groups for the community.

And so obviously messages were flying backwards and forwards.

But beyond that, there was no inquest or anything.

An incident like that happens, and obviously if nothing's known factually, then everybody's going to speculate, and then everybody comes up with their own ideas.

But they are just theories because nobody in the village had a jot of evidence.

Well, you know, we dragged a few down to the village pond and did some village interrogation of some people, you know, anybody who had the wrong looks.

Okay, now this is a spot.

Yep.

So when the infrastructure is built, that's kind of what happened in Montgomery is when the infrastructure was built, it built that infrastructure out for the data center.

So other carriers came in and took advantage of that infrastructure and were able to build out additional infrastructure on various carriers.

And they love diversity, too.

So, like, For instance, if I said, hey, we're going to build a data center, and AT&T was my only provider into that data center, that's really not favorable because you need multiple carriers into that thing, like Verizon or all these other major carriers out there.

So there's a lot to the geographical area.

A people center.

What's always in my studio bag? My charger.

That's what we're going to call it.

My

I know everything don't work for everybody, but I'm just saying that just shows you it can be done.

Here's the thing that we shouldn't argue about.

This team, John Hill, by the way, that from now on, every time, and this goes out to all you artists, entrepreneurs, You can't work with anybody unless you have financial backing or you're backing yourself from now on.

There's no, you know, I have talent.

If you don't have financial backing, you're not going to work.

Well, okay, let's get into the meat of what you guys are here to talk about.

Yeah, so one of the things I was chatting back and forth with Scott in text message, and I said, "You know what would be really cool is from a perspective of two guys who..." John and I both went to college at EKU.

We started out in the private sector.

We s- both in our own ways struggled to get into the industry in the private sector, 'cause that was kind of unheard of 20 years ago for anyone young to get into the private sector.

So how we got into it, then we started doing our thing, and then as we went forward, both of us organically on our own, we just decided that we needed to give back and started, like, our individually our own internship projects and then bring up entry-level fire investigators into the industry, which is...

It's a labor of love in and of itself, but that's really something that we've been doing in- independently of one another, and we just kinda every so often we end up chatting about it, and be like, "Oh, this is what I'm doing," and stuff like that.

So it's been interesting, and like, oh, classmates are doing this stuff.

But it made a difference in, I think as a mentor, y- if you see that young person is engaged, or they just have that thirst, you're like, "Oh, I can help you out to some extent." What about you, John?

In the words of heated rivalry, come again?

Uh, bing bang bong my insides.

I don't even know how to explain it.

My, well, I said it already.

My friend Brian, there is a discord, uh, or a signal chat when you're on board.

That's just whoever's on board contributes to the chat.

And it's like, I'm in room four 15 ass up.

And I was like, well, this is interesting.

Did you have that? Can you remember whenever you're like, this is it?

When I booked Hairspray, I was like, I had already done a Broadway tour, but an original Broadway cast, I was like, okay, I'm glad I pursued this.

This is right.

But in terms of what I'm doing now, I'm glad that you put it that way.

It's a dream for a lot of people.

I kind of...

I don't know if it's being raised really religious or just being gay and having to, you know, a lot of us feel like you have to work overtime to not be defective and you want to be normal and great.

And do you, tell me a little bit about that and how that's kind of changed your projection of life.