So yeah, very, very evident.

Absolutely.

I just, when you said that, it just brought to mind something that I, um, I came across, oh God, it must be 20 years ago.

There was a film director called Aaron Russo.

One of the most famous films he made was The Rose, I think, with Bette Midler.

And he told the story, he actually blew the whistle on what was going on a little bit because he told this story about, he was approached, he was quite a famous film director.

I mean, he's dead now, long dead now, but it, He was quite a famous film director and he was approached by one of the Rockefellers, Nicholas Rockefeller, I think, from memory.

It just blows my mind.

So I guess we could start off with just – why don't we, I guess, in light of time, why don't we focus on HAARP unless you want to touch on one of those others? No,

absolutely not.

It's fine.

Yeah, well, yeah, the high frequency active auroral research program.

They say that it's been shut down, but I don't believe that.

I don't believe it.

I think it's still active.

Okay.

After the Second World

War? That's right, yeah.

I mean, there was a group of people who decided that wouldn't it be a great idea to have this space agency that controlled all the truth? about what was going on outside of our world, or allegedly what's going on outside of our world, to be more accurate.

And five people came up with the idea of a space agency in the late 40s, but it didn't actually come to fruition until the late 50s, mid to late 50s anyway.

And those four people were, first of all, a guy called Jack Whiteside Parsons, It was the guy who founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is a link to NASA.

And he was a rocket scientist and a bit of a wild child.

And he actually blew himself up in his own laboratory doing ridiculous experiments with rocket fuels.

And that's my opinion.

I know you wrote a book on it, too.

Yeah, I wrote I wrote a book on that called JFK, Very British Coup.

I mean, what my case is absolutely correct.

But I would I would actually add to that and say that the CIA is not just in bed with Mossad.

It's in bed with all the intelligence agencies, which are all.

part of the same pyramid and but the key one being mi6 the british foreign intelligence service mi5 is the um is the domestic one mi6 is the is the foreign branch okay and the premise of my book jfk very british coup and the reason it's called that is because we know now that britain still controls america the um The Declaration of Independence in 1776 only lasted for 95 years.

This is all documented, by the way.

So I guess I know it's been a while since you wrote the book, but if you care to kind of impart or share your thoughts on the discovery of the American continent and McKee, I invite your input as well on that if you have any.

course,

famous financier in the States in the 19th century and early part of the 20th century.

He bought a shipping line called the White Star Line.

He already owned the Red Star Line.

and its umbrella company, whose name has escaped me.

It's terrible getting old, you know.

And, yeah, so he was a very clever guy, and he had this idea to all the shipping lines focused on in those days with the transatlantic trade, and there was a lot of immigrant ships going across.

G. Edward Griffin.

Got it.

Because I was already awake by this time, and I, I just thought, "This is, this is crazy.

This is, this is not right.

This is not real." And of course, subsequently, you know, all the, in the following weeks, all the masses of information that we were deluged with, most of it has been proven to be incorrect.

I mean, I don't even believe that there are any planes.

And, and, um, the reason I say that, that might s- s- sound like a really radical statement to make, [lip smacks] um, but I was contacted in about 2005, I'm guessing, around about that time, by a, a, a New Yorker, a guy from New York who worked...

I don't think he worked in the Twin Towers, [clears throat] he certainly worked, uh, in Manhattan.

... talk to so many people, I think that's your take on it.

What routes did you take to try and get the most accurate information going back as far as possible?

Yeah, um, that's a good question.

Uh, I mean, at, at, f- when I first began doing this, the internet was very much in its infancy.

Um, so there wasn't an awful lot on the internet.

And to be honest, when I first kinda came into this truther world, for want of a better expression, I didn't really know anyone else who felt the same way that I did.

You know, this is going back to the mid to late '90s.

And, um, I, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I spent a lot of time in public libraries.

So what are your thoughts on the occult aspects of everything?

And you start back like not in the 60s with the kind of Advent or JFK, but you go all the way back and start this at an interesting point with Occultist, right?

Yeah, I did some research on this quite a long time ago.

some of which appears in one of my other books, Falsification of Science, I think.

And I looked into the real history of NASA, not the history that they tell us is true.

I mean, obviously, NASA began in about 1958.

I believe it was the late 50s anyway.

But prior to that, the idea for NASA, for a national space agency in the States, was mooted in the very late 40s, the mid to late 40s, immediately after World War II anyway.

Like, How could they all create this environment where they convinced the entire public and then kept the lie going all the way to the present?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's called that, and it's got a big union flag on the front as well as part of the cover, uh, because I absolutely believe, and I present quite a lot of evidence in that book, for the fact that it was a, it was a British operation controlled by British.

Why was it? It's because Britain still controls the US.

There's no question about it.

The US did actually get its independence in 1776.

It declared its Declaration of Ind- Independence, but, um, it was very short-lived.

It's its own shareholders elect the-

Crack on then.

Thank you very much.

[audience laughing] Well, thanks everyone for coming.

Uh, you're gonna see the main feature now after the, you know, the... [audience laughing] Just kidding, just kidding.

No, I thought they were great talks this morning, this-- sorry, this afternoon.

Yeah.

So hopefully we can [laughs] live up to that, uh, expectation.

I did.

... um, so what, what would you say there are some of the, some of the biggest lies about our history that you've discovered?

So yeah, beginning, uh, with the actual ori- origins of the human race, I think evolution is a very, very insidious lie.

Um, you know, I, I believe...

I set out to, uh, actually prove that evolution was real and ended up realizing that it was all absolute nonsensical, illogical garbage, basically.

Um, so I think, think that is a key thing.

Um, if we realize that we are the result of a creator...

This is my opinion, by the way.

... w- what, through your research, what's your understanding of that?