
John Hacker
CEO and co-founder of NeurGear, creator of ZenBud — a wearable ultrasound vagus nerve stimulation device for stress and nervous system regulation.
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Jul 29, 2026
OCD, Chronic Stress & The Vagus Nerve: Jon Hacker | Ep28
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35:09PatrickHOST
And now with those caveats, continue on to your hypothesis of why younger generations that are growing up like with an email address, like parents that create an email address for them when they're born, how is that affecting mental health do you think?

John HackerGUEST
So I believe that we're in environments now where it is incredibly profitable to get people engaged.

John HackerGUEST
And so there is an incentive framework to create engaging content, to create engaging platforms, to create engaging foods, to create engaging...

John HackerGUEST
And that's an environment that our youngest generations are growing up in from birth.

John HackerGUEST
It's an environment where their intention is the most valuable product and their data taken from that attention is the most valuable product out there.
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40:23PatrickHOST
And I was curious if you have any thoughts or... take on that? I have a lot of